The Milesian: Gothia or Getulia?

The Milesian: Gothia or Getulia?
By M.A.O'Neill

The Milesian myths have the Scythian King Lamhfionn of Crete proceeded with a voyage and lands in Gothland or Getulia, were he had a son named Heber Glunfionn, who was uncommon in wisdom, courage, and knowledge. Some say Gothia, Gothland, Gothinia, or Getulia.

Heber Glunfionn born in Gothiaor Getulia were the Gadelians remained for thirty years and in other accounts for a hundred and fifty years. There are said to be Kings of Getulia or Gothia? Let’s look at Getulia on historical accounts and not by mythological ones.










Getulia was situated in North Africa in a desert region south of the Atlas Mountains, bordering the Sahara, and other accounts say it was in the areas of modern day Tunisia and Algeria. This region was occupied by the Gaetuli an ancient Berber tribe of Northern Africa. If one wants to believe the Milesian myths then we are to believe that the Milesian lived for over 150 years among the nomadic Berber tribes of Getulia, a region that the Roman Empire had trouble with for years. There are no accounts of Celts settling any areas of North Africa, but the Vandals and they was an East Germanic tribe from Jutland. In 429 AD under King Genseric entered Northern Africa and by 435 AD they controlled most of the Roman North African provinces these being what are modern day Algeria and Northern Morocco.




• Agnan Fionn King of Gothia or Getulia
• Febric Glas King of Gothia or Getulia
• Nenuall King of Gothia or Getulia
• Nuadhat King of Gothia or Getulia
• Alladh (Alldoit) King of Gothia or Getulia
• Archadh (Arcid) King of Gothia or Getulia
• Deaghatha of Scythia
• Bratha King of Galicia born in Gothia or Getulia, and the descendant of Heber Fionn, commanded the voyage of Gadelians from Gothland to Spain.
• Breoghan King of Galicia
• Bile King of Galicia
• Milesius (Galamh) his son Colpa of the Sword born in Gothia or Getulia.

The warlike sons of the Gadelian race remain’d among the Goths for thirty years, and there shall some of their prosperity. Remain till the world’s end. – Giolla Coamhan.


Gothland, “Land of the Geats” is located in the geographical area in the south of Sweden, bounded by the north by Svealand. Which was inhabited by the people called the Gautars or Geatas. The Geatas were a North Germanic tribe. The Goths leaving Scandinavia some associate with the Weilbark culture a culture that appeared during the first half of the 1st century BC, and replaced the Okyswie culture, that was in what in now modern day East Pomeriania around the lower Vistula River, yet this is just a theory. In the 2nd Century the Goths occupied the areas of Scythia under the legendary Gothic King Filimer, and then in a second migration they went into Moesia, Dacia, and Thrace. But returned and settled in the northern parts of the Black Sea, and under another legendary Gothic King Tanausius the Royal Goth bloodline repelled the advance of Pharaoh Sesostris of the 12th dynasty, yet this could be all myths. There are the historical accounts of the Goths raiding Crete in 269 A.D. and this was during the massive invasions of Scythian tribes into Roman territory during 267 – 269 A.D. The first “Scythians” were the Heruli that raided and ravaged with 500 ships the southern Black Sea coasts. They were defeated by the Romans, and escaped into the Aegean Sea, where they just ravaged surrounding lands, and including the islands of Crete and Rhodes. This coalition of “Scythians” was in reality the Goths, the Gepids, the Peucini, and the Heruli. All were Germanic tribes outside the Peucini that were a mixture of Germanic and Celtic cultures.






The Legendary kings of Gothland are well known and recorded and they are as follows.

1. King Dag associated with the Yngvi-Frey.
2. King Gizur.
3. King Gauti.
4. King Ring of Eastern Gotaland, son of King Gauti.
5. King Herrauor, son of King Ring.
6. King Gautrekr.
7. King KetillGautreksson.

For the Milesian to have been Goths then maybe there would be some mention in the myths of the Royal blood lines associated with the Amalings and the Balthings, or even the names would have some Gothic origin.It looks like the creators of the Milesian myths later on used the some of the Gothic history to give their origins a Royal Blood line compared to other blood lines through Europe. Unless some of the descendants of the Royal Houses obtain Y-DNA tests, or ancient remains of Irish Kings are tested for their Y-DNA.

Words used in Gothic names:

• Ahta = Terrible
• Airmana = Lofty
• Alh (Ealh) = Temple
• Amala = Effort, Toil
• Ans = God
• Athala (Aethel) = Noble
• Athana = Year
• Auda (Ead) = Wealth
• Anda = Courage,Spirit
• Badwa = Battle
• Batha (Bald) = Bold
• Daga (Daeg) = Day
• Filu = Much
• Frithu (Freothu) = Peace
• Gaisu (Gar) = Spear
• Gawi = Country
• Goda = Good
• Guda = God
• Harya = Army
• Hauha = High
• Hildi = War
• Liuda = People
• Mahta (Meaht) = Mighty
• Nantha = Brave
• Ragina = Counsel
• Reika (Ric) = Ruler
• Swintha (Swith) = Strong
• Thiuda (Theod) = People
• Wulfa (Wulf) = Wolf

The Goths often used words as in endings for names.

- Badws (Baed) = War
- Bairths (Berth) = Bright
- Frithe (Frith) = Peaceful
- Gias (Gar) = Spear
- Hargis = Army
- Mers = Famous
- Nanths = Daring
- Reiks (Ric)= Ruler
- Wulf = Wolf

The names of the Vandal Kings and Suebic Kings are a perfect example:

The Vandal Kings

1. Wisimar d.335 AD
2. Godigisel 359-406 AD
3. Gundfric 407- 428 AD
4. Genseric 428-477 AD
5. Huneric 477-484 AD
6. Gunthunmund 484-496 AD
7. Thrasamund 496-523 AD
8. Hilderic 523-530 AD
9. Gilmer 530-534 AD

The Suebic Kings of Galicia.


1. King Hermeric 409 A.D. - 438 A.D.
2. King Rechila 438 A.D. - 448 A.D.
3. King Rechiar 448 A.D. - 456 A.D.
4. King Aioulf 456 A.D. - 457 A.D.
5. King Madras 457 A.D. - 460 A.D.
6. King Framta 457 A.D.
7. King Richimund 457 A.D. – 464 A.D.
8. King Frumar 460 A.D. – 464 A.D.
9. King Remismund 464 A.D.

From 469 - 550 A.D.

1. King Hermeneric
2. King Veremund
3. King Theodemund

From 550 - 585 A.D.

1. King Chararic
2. King Ariamir
3. King Theodemar
4. King Miro
5. King Eboric
6. King Andeca
7. King Malaric

I don’t find Gothic origin names among the Milesian mythological genealogies outsidethe only examples:


1. Febric Glas, Ric = Ruler.
2. Deaghatha, Deag = Day, Athala = Nobel, Atha = Terrible, Nantha = Brave, or Mahta, meaning “Mighty.”3. Bratha, Atha = Terrible., Athala = Nobel, Nantha = Brave, or Mahta, meaning “Mighty.”
The Gael word Fionn is from the Gael Fionn, meaning “Fair” or “White.” The Gaul word Vindo, meaning, “White” or “Shinning”.

There is the word Finne that could have origins in the Old High German Fendo, or the Middle High German word Vende, meaning “Wanderer.”

The Gothic word Finthan, Old High German word Finthan meaning “To find.”

The Old Norse word Finnr, was used to describe the Suomi.

The first Celts are said to have arrived in Ireland circa 2000 – 300 BC. The myths have the Milesian being Kings also of Galicia, and the Celts did occupy Galicia prior to the arrival of the Suevi in 395 AD. The first Celtic settlement in Galicia was that of the Saefs, or Sefes in 11th century BC. The Saefs were Celtic peoples of the Hallstatt Culture that was predominant in Central Europe from 8th to the 6th century BC, basically European Iron Age that developed from the Urnfield culture. The Hallstatt culture is often associated mainly with the Celtic populations. The Saefs are believed to have been from the areas of the Czech-German areas they are said to have migrated in the 6th century BC over the Pyrenees into Spain. Then there is the Gallaeci a Celtic people that are the descendants of an Atlantic Stone age peoples 1300-700 BC composed of tribes with the names of Arrtrebi, Albioni, Celtici, Supertamarici, and Lemavi. The Asturian region was occupied by the Astures Celtic tribecomposed of tribes by the names of Luggones, Albiones, and the Pesicos. The Astures may have been part of an early immigration of the Hallstatt expansion that emigrated from the Bavaria – Bohemian region. The Astures are recorded to have fought as Spanish Mercenaries under Hasdrubal Barca’s army in 207 BC, during the 2nd Punic war. The Romans entered Galicia in 137 – 138 BC. Under General DecimusJunius Brutus and the area was now known under the name Gallaecia. In 137 BC the Gallaeci faced the Romans with an army of 60,000 at the battle of the river Douro and were defeated. In 61 BC the Romans under the command of Julius Caesar landed in Brigantium, modern day la Coruna. In 395 the Suevi took over Galicia, and in 411 they created the first medieval kingdom of Europe. Also,the Vandals, Suevi, and Alans occupied Spain, and in 416 – 418 AD. Then the Visigoths invaded Spain, were the King Attaces of the Alans was killed in battle.
Galicia and Asturias came under Suebic and then Visigoth controlwhen 585 AD, the Visigoths took control of Galicia, and its first king was King Leovigild. Before that it was occupied by the Romans. If the Milesian were Celts from Galicia then they would have migrated into Ireland circa 200 BC – 61 BC escaping the onslaught of the Roman Empire. We do now that Ptolemy’s map circa 150 AD of Ireland has a Brigantes tribe in the south of Ireland in modern day Wexford, Kilkenny and Waterford, and these Brigantes are the same that occupied Northern and significant parts of the Midlands of England, and once the areas of what is now modern day York, England. Are these the same Brigantes of Northern, Spain? Who knows there could be a strong possibility, but are the Milesian of this tribe? If they were then the Milesian myths would mention their conquest of Northern England and occupation. Also, it doesn’t fit the myths modal of the conquest of Northern Ireland by the sons of Milesius, nor there was any Brigantes in Northern Africa for over 150 years, nor in Gothland etc. The Milesian myths are just myths and the more you look into their accounts the more you start to see that it was an elaborate creation.

There is the Galatians led by Brennus and they were Celts that migrated and invaded Macedon, and others Galatians were original Celts who settled Galatia came via Thrace under the leadership of Leotanius and Leonnorios around 270 BC. The fall of the 2nd Scythian kingdom was due to an onslaught of Celts, Thracians, and Sarmatians circa the 3rd century BC. That is one is to assume that the Milesian were of Galatian Celtic origins, and then we have get into Y-DNA samples to prove this.