The Milesian myths & the Scythian origin?

The truth is that no one aristocratic Scythian clan was the progenitors, of an entire society, or any Irish royal clan. All the Milesian myths accounts describe all the regions occupied by the Goths, and not a aristocratic Celtic tribe. The creators of the Milesian myths really took their time to create very imaginative myth using possibly the Historia de regibus Gothorum, Vandalorum et Suevorum by Isidore of Seville as a blue print. The inventors of the Milesian legends, and Irish genealogies added even religious events in the bible, the Goths, the Scythians, and a link to Spain etc. Now assuming that the Milesian legends have some sort, of facts to them then this must be that the Royal lines of Milesians are, of a Germanic origin, and not of a Celtic origin. This is disturbing for those who hold prejudices, hate, and racism, yet to accept the Milesians myth as truth then they must accept the facts that the Scythians were not Celts. You see in the simple mind of many the word Germanic and Scandinavian, equals politics and years of hatred. The facts are that the names in the Milesian legends, and myths cannot be accounted, for in any historical accounts. The myths state, that Milesian invasion of Ireland occurred the next year after the laying down of the foundation of the temple of Jerusalem by Solomon. This was written by religious priest trying to include religion into the genealogies of the clans.

For so many years there have been countless legends of the Milesians, and an aristocratic Scythian clan settling and conquering Ireland. The facts are that the accounts of the creation, of the Milesians legends coincide mainly with that of the Goths, yet the Goths were a heterogeneous East Germanic tribe, and not a Celtic one, the Goths are believed to have originated in Scandza. The so called experts of Irish myths do not explain that the Goths were first refered to as Scythians when they did reached the Black Sea, nor will you hear or read any explanations of the mentions of the Goths in the Irish myths of the Milesians. Ancient accounts explain that the Goths entered Scythia, under King Filimer, and there they defeated the Spali. King Filimer found the land which the called Aujum (Oium), from there he later lead another second migration to Thrace.




Myth: Fenius Farsa, as the first king of Scythia, and his descendants were called the Feni. Fenius Farsa's son Niul is said to be the first to have settled in Egypt.

History : A Royal line of King Filimer ,fought the Egyptian Pharaoh Sesotris , under the leadership of Gothic King Tanausis , and after the battle of Phasis, Colchis in modern day Georgia, pushed and persued the Egyptians all the way back into Egypt. Then there is the account of Gothic King Antyrus, who was approached by King Darius of the Persians, to marry his daughter. Then there is King Phillip II, who allied himself with the Goths by marrying Medopa, the daughter of King Gudila, the Getae king, and ruler of the regions between Thrace and the Danube.


Myths: King Sru leads the Gaeidhil from Egypt to Creta, and Eber Scot is believed to have led the wondering Gaeidhil, or Gayil from the island of Creta, modern day Crete, to Scythia.

History: The was a massive invasion of Scythian tribes into Crete during 267 A.D. and 269 A.D. these sea born invasions were led by the Goths mainly the Greuthungi and Tervingi , the Gepids and Peucini led by the Heruli, a East Germanic Tribe from Scandinavia. Another thing taken to account is that the Goths raided Athens in 268 A.D., and in 370 A.D. King Ermanarcih rules the Greuthungian Goths from the Baltic to the Black Sea.


Myth: Lamh Finn led the Clanna Gaedil from their homeland of Scythia to Gaethluighe.
Bratha, the leader of the Clanna Gaedhail, Gayil, or Gaels, leads immigration from Gothinia, a island in the Baltic, into Spain. His son Breoghan, later becomes the king of Spain.

History: In 456 A.D. the Visigoths of the Balthi family enter Spain, and in 475 A.D. King Euric founds the Visigothic kingdom of Spain.


Myth: Milesius after his first wife Seng, has the two sons Donn and Arech the Red Browed. Milesius sails to Egypt were he marries Scota , the daughter of the Egyptian Pharaoh Nectonebo II of Egypt, who ruled from 360 - 343 b.c. Milesius then sails from Egypt to the island of Irene, off the coast of Thracia, were Scota gives birth to Ir, the third son of Milesius.




History: The Pharaoh Nectonebo II of Egypt ruled in the years of 360 B.C. to 343 B.C.
Theodoric Strabo, son of Triarius, and Chieftain of the Thracian Goths, of the Amalings Royal family. He had a wife named Sigilda, and a son named Recitach. The Amalings according to the Gothic legends were the decendants of the ancient hero Amala “The Mighty".


Myth: The Milesians marched through the European continent and he reaches the Baltic Sea, where with a fleet he reaches the island of Gothinia, an island which divides the Baltic and Artic Sea. On Gothinia his fourth son Colpa of the Sword is born.

History: Only one island which divides the Baltic Sea and Artic sea, this being the island Gotland, Sweden.



Myth: King Breogah of Spain, and the Brigantes.

Fact: The Brigantes tribe (s) name are found in Austria, England, Spain , Portugal and Ireland.
Brigid or Brigantu means the “The Exalted one” or “The High One”, and ancient Goddess worshipped by the Celts. The Brigantes in England occupied the areas which are modernly known, as York, Cleveland, Durham and Lancansghire. Their civitates power strecthed from the North Sea to the Irish Sea. The Brigantes described by Ptlomey that occupied what is modern day southern Wexford , Ireland. The Campus Brigantium, meaning ' The plain of the Brigantes’, once occupied by the Clanna Breogian. We find the city of Bregenz located in modern day Austria on the shores of Lake Constance, the Brigantii tribes in the Eastern Alps, the Brigantes of Gallaecia, modern day Galicia, Spain, and Braganza a city located in the North Eastern region of Portugal.

Are all these Brigante tribes related to one another? Not very likely and this is possibly due to the name of the goddess Brigid being spread from region to region. They can be found to be related with archeology and the y-dna testing of ancient remains, or living y-dna tested members of these areas.


None of the Milesian legends can be taken seriously, yet there are those who still believe this, and others who still keep up the myths alive as facts. If people only took their time, and were a little more truthful with themselves then they would search, for the truth and facts and stop wasting their time and money. One thing I learned is that there are too many people out there with misleading information, creating their own special myths, and gaining money in return.

I write for my family , and those who are truly related to me.

I have seen my work copy and pasted or linked in various forums. First, I write for my family , and those who are truly related to me , and must make this clear to many I personally I can careless who care or not, if my ancestors were not so called "Celtics" ,and I am proud of the reality that my ancestors seem to have had origins in the Black Sea ,and immigrated thru the centuries into Scandinavia in the areas of Finland , Southern Sweden , and Norway . With a selected group of people that have y-dna tested, and to seem to have origins in Yorkshire , England, a area once occupied by the Brigantes, Danes , and possibly the Ynglings. Very likely that my ancestor was a Viking, and this would explain the reasons my ancestors always ended living on islands, and many of their exploits. And since, the 1600's my ancestors fought for the Spanish crown, survived, struggled , and now every O'Neill of Puerto Rico is of the Latin culture, and very proud of that , and I will never change that for anything in this world. Unlike many others I know who I'm , I know what my family has been through , and I know my own abilities. This is why I am not hung up, nor do I care for a senseless Celtic pride identity etc. but I only care for the plain truth! I have a clear conscience knowing that I have not made a single profit of my surname, nor will I do, I find that petty, below my class, and morals. I live and know what I have accomplished, and my ancestors, and not the glory of O'Neill's that had nothing to do with my family. Do I care if I obtain all genealogical records, and submit them to the Chief Herald of Arms in Ireland, and obtain the rightfully coat of arms for every single O'Neill of Puerto Rico? No, if it happens it happens. Again, I know who I am, and I cannot say the same for others. I live in the real world, and not in a fantasy, nor am I in denial of who I know I am. Others for years have been looking from the outside at what they don't understand, nor will ever come close to knowing the truth, and that's because they don't belong, and will never no matter how hard they try. The O'Neill's take their surname form Niall Glundubh mac Aedo , and there is genealogical records that he was born in Norway, and he is stated in the Anglo Saxon Chronicles to have been the brother of the Viking warlord Sihtric . That's a fact regardless, of people’s bias, hatred, or prejudices.
The Association of O'Neill Clans. I would advise it that instead of the promotion of a books and reunions. Why doesn't the Association really spend time trying to get the y-dna results from the ancient bones, of many of the Royal O'Neill's buried in Ireland? I think I know that answer to that one, and many also do have answers. I challenge Ed O’Neill, who once ran O’Neill DNA Project to produce the authentic Haplotype, or SNP of the Royal House of Tyrone. Since, his theories are mainly based on that y-dna of a paper trail of a member that leads back to a Desmond O'Neill, said to be of the O'Neill's of the Fews, yet from what I have seen lately is disingenuous to say that his descendants are the of the Royal House of Tyrone, or from the O"Neill's of the Fews. And that the y-dna of the Desmond O'Neill descendants represents the Royal House of O'Neill. Let’s be a more real and honest.
You see to pick and chose information to fit your agenda, or theory is real good, yet it falls apart when really looked at it by all others information outside the bubble of O'Neill myths and misinformation. The truth is that the Edwin O'Neill coined O'Neill Variety is not, and cannot be said to be that of the Royal O'Neill of the House Tyrone. No one knows the true SNP, or Haplotype, of the Royal House of Tyrone. Until some male members of the Clanaboy in Portugal, O'Neill's of the Fews in Spain, and in O'Neill's in Palma de Mallorca obtains a y-dna test, or the remains of many of the O'Neill's buried in Ireland get tested. I think the bull shit should be ceased until this is obtained. And I guarantee that the y-dan results of the ancient O'Neill remains is not what these so called experts expected.

I know it’s disturbing and upsetting, for many of O'Neill's to see that the O'Neill's of the Fews were born in St.Croix , settled in Puerto Rico , and had involvement with my descendants in the same areas many of the O'Neill's of Puerto Rico have settled for years. I can careless what these so called experts of O'Neill's think, and I don't write to make friends, enemies, or money. I write the truth I find that many try to hide behind their prejudices, hates, and many times racism. You have to understand that the O'Neill's of Puerto Rico do not fit in into the model, of what the many, of the O'Neill Irish Americans and O'Neill's in Ireland wish the O'Neill's to be.

What I find interesting is that many of these O'Neill's like to quote, and grew up listening to the Milesian myths, yet the Milesian myths state that the Milesians were of a Scythian noble family. Most of the Irish genealogical books based on myths mention Gothinia,is there any common sense by the readers, for them to realize that Gothinia is Gotland, that the Goths were called Scythians for centuries , or that the Goths are not Celtic in origins. A little secret the Goths were a heterogeneous East Germanic tribe, and all the geographical areas described in the Milesian myths are the same as the geographical areas occupied or tarveled by the Goths.

Again, the practice of cutting ones hand was done by the Scandinavians, and not practiced done by the Celts. This was a Berserkers practice called the Fountain of Tyr.