Sunday, July 31, 2011

Shane " An Diomas" O'Neill : U106/S21 R1b1b2a1a1a ?.

A short history of Shane " An Diomas " O'Neill
By M.A.O'Neill


Shane "An Diomas" O'Neill, son of Conn “Baccach” O'Neill, born in 1535, Shane lead a rebellion against the English, and a vendetta against Feardorcha O’Neill, and his descendants. In 1567 he was killed by the McDonnell's of the Glenn in Antrim on June 2, 1567, he was hacked into pieces and his body wrapped in a kern’s old shirt, and was thrown in a pit near were he was killed. There was a reward of 1,000 l. for anyone who offered the dead body and head of Shane " An Diomas" to the English crown , or 500 l. for those who would give information that would lead to his death. For some reason the McDonnell's didn't know or cared, but Sir William Piers, the governor of Carrickfergus , did know and managed to get a hold of Shane " An Diomas " head and sent it, pickled in a pip kin, to Sir Henry Sidney , in some accounts Shane "An Diomas" head was placed on top of Dublin Castle ,other accounts say it was placed at the gates. Shane's body was later said to have been privately buried at the Franciscan monastery at Glenram.
Sir. Henry Sidney, later took Hugh O'Neill, 2nd Earl of Tyrone,at the age of nine to be raised in his castle at Ludlow, Shropshire, and brought up there, at Penhurst in Kent, and in London. At this time Hugh O'Neill, 2nd Earl of Tyrone , was adopted by the Hovenedan family of the Pale. This was due in part that Feardorcha O'Neill, his father had been killed by Shane 'An Diomas”, and his older brother Brian O’Neill, was also killed on April 12, 1562, by Turlough Luineach O'Neill, somewhere between Newry and Carlingford.
During this period there were basically three to four O'Neill's families involved in vendettas and positioning themselves for power versus themselves, and the English, who many times used these weakness to their advantages. You had Hugh O'Neill, 2nd Earl of Tyrone, the son of Feardorcha O’Neill, the alleged illegitimate son of Conn " Baccach" O'Neill , and Allison Kelly, the wife of John Kelly, the blacksmith of Dundalk. Next was Sir. Turlough Lineach O'Neill, was born circa 1530 and died in 1595, the nephew of Conn “Baccach" O’Neill. Sir Turlough Lineach O’Neill was the son of Niall Conallach O'Neill and Rose O'Donnell, the daughter of Manus O'Donnell. Then the sons of Shane “An Diomas" O’Neill, are said to be six to ten children in total by three different wifes.
Shane " An Diomas" O'Neill , is believed to had six to ten children, there names Shane Og, Hugh " Gaveloch", Henry, Art, Conn, Cormac, Niall, Brian, Turlough , and Edmond. After, he was hacked into pieces by the McDonnell's of the Glenn, his once mistress and now wife Catherine McLean, Countess of Duart, took her sons for protection to the Scottish Isles. Catherine McLean , was once the wife of Calvach O'Donnell, who he kept outside tied up in chains for everyone to see, also he kept Catherine McLean , in chains in a cellar until he was drunk and will go up and have his way with her. Some accounts state that Shane “An Diomas" , had a strange habit of burying himself in sand up to his neck to cool of his blood.
Now, the big question! Are all the McShane's descendants of Shane “An Diomas" O'Neill? The answer is no! There are many origins to the surname McShane in Ireland, years before the sons of Shane “An Diomas" O'Neill. One thing is that many of the McShane's do match allot of the O'Neill's are of the Y-DNA O'Neill Variant.

Lets take a look at the Neely's, O'Neill's of Puerto Rico,the majority of O'Neill's, and McShane's.



Neely's of Pennsylvania.

DYS 393 = 13
DYS 390 = 24
DYS 385 a = 11
DYS 385 b = 14
DYS 389-2 = 29
DYS 459 a-b = 9,9
DYS 447 = 25
DYS 464 a = 15
DYS 464 b = 15
DYS 464 c = 17
DYS 464 d = 17
YCA II a = 19
YCA II b = 23


SNP U106/S21 R1b1b2a1a1a.


MacShane / O'Neill's common haplotype.


DYS 393 = 13
DYS 390 = 24
DYS 385 a = 12
DYS 385 b = 15
DYS 389-2 = 30
DYS 459 a-b = 9,10
DYS 447 = 25
DYS 464 a = 15
DYS 464 b = 15
DYS 464 c = 17
DYS 464 d = 17
YCA II a = 19
YCA II b = 23

SNP R1b1ba2a1a1b



O'Neill's of Puerto Rico.

DYS 393 = 13
DYS 390 = 23
DYS 385 a = 11
DYS 385 b = 14
DYS 389-2 = 29
DYS 459 a-b = 9,10
DYS 447 = 24
DYS 464 a = 15
DYS 464 b = 15
DYS 464 c = 16
DYS 464 d = 17
YCA II a = 19
YCA II b = 21
DYS 456 = 13

SNP L48 / S162 R1b1b2a1a4


The O'Neill's of Puerto Rico are from a totally different SNP than the majority of other O'Neill's currently y-dna tested. So, there is no current relation between the O'Neill's of Puerto Rico and other O'Neill's. The Neely's who claim to be descendants of Shane " An Diomas" O'Neill , are of the SNP U106 / S21 , but are not of the sub clade L48/S162 R1b1b2a1a4. There is no significant relation, or common ancestor between both families, unless the Neely's test positive for the SNP L48 and then it falls into a time period of 2,900 to 3,100.

I have yet to see any McShane's that have tested positive for the U106,or L48,and that will match the O'Neill's of Puerto Rico, or the Neely's of Pennsylvania.

A little lesson to some O'Neill's, since there seems to be allot of ignorance, among many of when it comes to y-dna.

The SNP U106 /M405/S21/ is found at its highest frequency in Frisia, Benelux, England, Austria, and Northern Italy. It's estimated to be found among 25% of those within the R1b SNP, and there are some that have a theory that the SNP U106 is Central European in origin. Some speculate the SNP to be of a Germanic origin, yet its undefined. U106 it is an estimated 3,100 to 3,900 years old, and downstream of U106 are the SNP's U198/S29/M467,P107,P89.2,L1/S26/DYS 439 (Null), L5,L6,L48/S162 with L47 and its L44, L45, and L46 subgroups. The SNP L48 a estimated 2,900 - 3,100 years old, and not commonly found in Ireland, but in areas occupied once by the Germanic tribes.


The Neely's mind you that they are of the U106 / S21, a very different origin than the O'Neill's / McShanes who are of the SNP R1b1ba2a1a1b. There is no relation at all! Or a common ancestor within the time frame of the genealogies.

The majority of MacShane's of Ulster at 12 markers are 1 GD (Genetic Distance), from the O'Neill Variant Haplotype that represents the majority of O'Neill's tested. Are these the descendants of Shane " An Diomas" O'Neill, we can not say 100% , but it looks very likely that they can be the descendants of the 10 sons of Shane " An Diomas".

If the Neely's are the descendants of Shane " An Diomas" O'Neill, then we must have more McShane's that test for the U106 / S21 ,and we do not at the moment. Long ago there was a guy who claimed that he was a descendant of Shane " An Diomas " O'Neill ,and he was tested R1b1c9 , at the early stages of U106, yet a few months later his SNP changed to the SNP M222 by some miracle. So, we do not know whats the true SNP Shane " An Diomas" O'Neill, yet time will tell, what the SNP of Shane " An Diomas" O'Neill truely was.

The genealogy combined with y-dna testing of the Neely's of Pennsylvania say that Shane " An Diomas" O'Neill , was of the SNP U106/S21. The McShane's currently tested in Ulster say a different story, and are genetically equal to the majority of O'Neill's in Ulster.


The O'Neill's of Puerto Rico of the SNP L48 , a sub clade of U106 / S21 , at 35 markers are a Genetic Distance of 19 , to the Neely's of Pennsylvania, that shows that there is no true relation within both families. Now , if the Neely's of Pennsylvania , do end up being L48 the same as the O'Neill's of Puerto Rico , then there was a common ancestor and origin within 2,900 - 3,100 years.

Only time will tell what was the true SNP Shane " An Diomas" O'Neill ,the O'Neill's of
Puerto Rico genealogy and oral history , do not match or is associated in any way with the descendants of Shane " An Diomas" . But it will be a interesting find to have a group of with a genealogy and SNP within the U106/S21 , will it lead to a new discovery among the O'Neill's ? Who knows? When there are plenty of O'Neill zealots that have a agenda to shut down, or discredit any new findings.

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