Yorkshire DYS YCA II b 21

Yorkshire DYS YCA II b 21

Recently among a certain group of families with origins in Yorshire , England . There all have the value of 21 at Marker DYS YCA II b with most with the value of 16 at DYS 456. Very different from the usual value of 13 at DYS 456 of the O'Neill's of Puerto Rico. It's difficult to find what group of peoples does the value of 21 at YCA II b might define. But since it's is found among a group of various families in Yorshire this could give some insight of it's origins.

The Celts, Saxons , Danes or Norse?

Region of Yorshire was once occupied by the Brigantes a Celt tribal name found in Northern Spain, Austria, York and South East Ireland. Modern day Austria was once the home land of the tribe called the Brigantii on the lake of Constance once called the Brigantinus Lacus. Their capital was Brigantium Raetiae modern day Bregenz. In Northern Spain we have Brigantia and Brigantium Hispaniae in La Coruna , Spain. In South east Ireland there is the ancient region of Bregia and described by Ptolemy in his map as a region occupied by the Brigantes. Then we have the Brigantes of North Riding Yorkshire and West Riding Yorkshire. The Brigantes in England controlled more territory than any other Celtic tribe. Ancient Yorkshire was known as Isurium Brigantium.

Currently no y-dna evidence has been found to support that the Marker DYS YCA II b 21 defines the Brigantes. No y-dna L48 + group of people have been found in Northern Spain with the value of 21 @ YCA II b . There has been two different tested people one form Switzerland but it's not known if his origins are from the area near the Lake Constance and another has been tested and his origins are from Bukovina a are that was once part of Galicia of Eastern Europe . Still there is no evidence to support that this marker DYS YCA II b 21 defines any Brigantes Celts since all these areas were once occupied by the Goths and other Germanic tribes.

It's very likely this marker may define the Danes or Norse of Yorkshire who in 866 invaded and captured Yorkshire led by Ivar the Boneless . There could be many possible origins for this group in Yorkshire the Ynglings etc. It's very likely this DYS YCA II b with value of 21 may end up showing the origins of the Danes or Norse of Yorshire.

L48/S162 O'Neill's of Puerto Rico

Origins of the SNP L48 is not clear known. What is know is that is associated with a Germanic origin. The age of L48 is speculated to be around 2,900 - 3,100 years old. This bloodline of the O'Neill's of Puerto Rico is defined by unique values at certain markers .

DYS 390 = 23 , DYS 439 = 11 , DYS 389-2 = 29, DYS 447 = 24 , DYS 449 = 28 , DYS YCA II b = 21, DYS 456 = 13, DYS 459 = 19, DYS 537 = 11 , DYS 534 = 17


L48 is associated with a Germanic origin but it's not known if it represents a East Germanic tribal origin, These were the tribes who immigrated from Scandinavia into the area between the Oder and Vistula rivers between 600 - 300 b.c. later futher south . Among these tribes where said to be the Goths a hetrogenous East Germanic Tribe who later reached what was known as Scythian on the coast of the Black Sea and in later centuries conquered Northern Spain.

If one believes the Irish myths and legends of the a aristrocratic Scythian tribe named the Milesians whose origins are said to be in Scythia , the island of Gothinia (Gotland), and Northern Galicia . One would believe this to be evidence. But facts are not based on myths and legends like some out there who still believe these Irish legends has fact when it seems that the Irish scribes used the Historia de Regibus Gothorum , Vandalorum et Suevorum has a blue print for their Milesian genealogies and legends.

There are two theories one is a NPE (Non Paternal Event) involving the Dubh Lochlannaigh, the black Scandinavians or the Finn Lochlannaigh, the fair strangers. For the O'Neill's of Puerto Rico L48 / S162 SNP. This event would have occured around 850 - 1000 a.d. this is where the y-dna most recent common ancestor (MRCA) and matches stop. The nearest matches are 4 people one from the Shetland islands , another from northern Finland , and Norway and the last in Ulster. What is different among the O'Neill's of Puerto Rico and other O'Neill's is their past history of sea piracy and military exploits and their fondness for settlement on islands.

One account that is intersting is that in the Anglo Saxon Chronicles that describe

914 Neil king was slain by Sihtric his brother
921. Here sihtric king slew Neil his brother.

Only Neil King Sigtrygg Caech, also known as Sihtric killed was Niall Glundubh MacAedo at the battle of Kilmashoge near Dublin in 917 or 919.

A interesting figure in all this is Amlaib Conung, King of the Lochlainn, said in the Fragmentary Annals to have been a son in law of Aed Finnlaith MacNeill, the father of Niall Glundubh MacAedo. Others belive that Amlaib Conung wife was the daughter of Cinaed MacAlpin, also known as Kenneth MacAlpin. Niall Glundubh MacAedo's mother was written to be Mael Muire the daughter of Kenneth MacAlpin.

During the period after the death of Niall Glundubh MacAedo is when the Irish under Muirchertach ' of the leather cloaks ' MacNeill son of Niall Glundubh MacAedo they begin to build naval fleets like the Danes and start to attack into the Hebrides. Aed Finnlaith " The fair warrior" is one of the first Irish chiefs to seek alliances with the Norse during his military exploits.

Currently a group of MacLochlainn's in Ireland have been tested and are L48/ S162 SNP positive they are current members of the MacLaughlinn Surname dna project. This is very interesting and can futher shed light into the SNP L48 in Ireland.

The last of our kind?

There is one bloodline of the O'Neill's of Puerto Rico that is of the SNP L48 / R1b1b2a1a4. These are the descendants of Don Juan O'Neill who arrived in Puerto Rico in the early 1700's. The Haplotype is well established with unique values at markers DYS YCA II b and DYS 456 .

Currently there are none of the O'Neill's tested within the SNP L48/ R1b1b2a1a4 out of less than 200 tested in the O'Neill DNA project. But there are MacLochlainn's in their respected dna project who are of the SNP L48 / R1b1b2a1a4 this is a very interesting find since the MacLochlainns of Ulster are the closest kindred to the O'Neill's but it's not known of the origins of these MacLochlainn's at the moment . It's will very unlikely that the O'Neill's of Puerto Rico will not find any y-dna matches among the O'Neill's in Ireland, Australia , and the United States. The odds are very slim but among the O'Neill's in Spain, Portugal , the Caribbean and the Netherlands the odds of having a match improves. The mayority of the O'Neill's currently tested fall into 4 groups of SNP's the I2b1a, R1b1b1b2a1b5b who are less common unlike the SNP / Haplogroup R1b1b2a1b and R1b1b2 but it must be noted many of these tested have not had their SNP tested.

Very unlikely they will be many O'Neill's in Australia , United States and Ireland of the SNP L48 and of the O'Neill's of Puerto Rico unique haplotype if there is a match this will be a one in a million match since not even other surnames match this bloodline in any database.

So it's looks like this bloodline is the last of it's kind among the O'Neill's and other surnames.