A short history of Shane " An Diomas " O'Neill
By M.A.O'Neill
Shane "An Diomas" O'Neill, son of Conn “Baccach” O'Neill, born in 1535, Shane lead a rebellion against the English, and a vendetta against Feardorcha O’Neill, and his descendants. In 1567 he was killed by the McDonnell's of the Glenn in Antrim on June 2, 1567, he was hacked into pieces and his body wrapped in a kern’s old shirt, and was thrown in a pit near were he was killed. There was a reward of 1,000 l. for anyone who offered the dead body and head of Shane " An Diomas" to the English crown , or 500 l. for those who would give information that would lead to his death. For some reason the McDonnell's didn't know or cared, but Sir William Piers, the governor of Carrickfergus , did know and managed to get a hold of Shane " An Diomas " head and sent it, pickled in a pip kin, to Sir Henry Sidney , in some accounts Shane "An Diomas" head was placed on top of Dublin Castle ,other accounts say it was placed at the gates. Shane's body was later said to have been privately buried at the Franciscan monastery at Glenram.
Sir. Henry Sidney, later took Hugh O'Neill, 2nd Earl of Tyrone,at the age of nine to be raised in his castle at Ludlow, Shropshire, and brought up there, at Penhurst in Kent, and in London. At this time Hugh O'Neill, 2nd Earl of Tyrone , was adopted by the Hovenedan family of the Pale. This was due in part that Feardorcha O'Neill, his father had been killed by Shane 'An Diomas”, and his older brother Brian O’Neill, was also killed on April 12, 1562, by Turlough Luineach O'Neill, somewhere between Newry and Carlingford.
During this period there were basically three to four O'Neill's families involved in vendettas and positioning themselves for power versus themselves, and the English, who many times used these weakness to their advantages. You had Hugh O'Neill, 2nd Earl of Tyrone, the son of Feardorcha O’Neill, the alleged illegitimate son of Conn " Baccach" O'Neill , and Allison Kelly, the wife of John Kelly, the blacksmith of Dundalk. Next was Sir. Turlough Lineach O'Neill, was born circa 1530 and died in 1595, the nephew of Conn “Baccach" O’Neill. Sir Turlough Lineach O’Neill was the son of Niall Conallach O'Neill and Rose O'Donnell, the daughter of Manus O'Donnell. Then the sons of Shane “An Diomas" O’Neill, are said to be six to ten children in total by three different wifes.
Shane " An Diomas" O'Neill , is believed to had six to ten children, there names Shane Og, Hugh " Gaveloch", Henry, Art, Conn, Cormac, Niall, Brian, Turlough , and Edmond. After, he was hacked into pieces by the McDonnell's of the Glenn, his once mistress and now wife Catherine McLean, Countess of Duart, took her sons for protection to the Scottish Isles. Catherine McLean , was once the wife of Calvach O'Donnell, who he kept outside tied up in chains for everyone to see, also he kept Catherine McLean , in chains in a cellar until he was drunk and will go up and have his way with her. Some accounts state that Shane “An Diomas" , had a strange habit of burying himself in sand up to his neck to cool of his blood.
Now, the big question! Are all the McShane's descendants of Shane “An Diomas" O'Neill? The answer is no! There are many origins to the surname McShane in Ireland, years before the sons of Shane “An Diomas" O'Neill. One thing is that many of the McShane's do match allot of the O'Neill's are of the Y-DNA O'Neill Variant.
Lets take a look at the Neely's, O'Neill's of Puerto Rico,the majority of O'Neill's, and McShane's.
Neely's of Pennsylvania.
DYS 393 = 13
DYS 390 = 24
DYS 385 a = 11
DYS 385 b = 14
DYS 389-2 = 29
DYS 459 a-b = 9,9
DYS 447 = 25
DYS 464 a = 15
DYS 464 b = 15
DYS 464 c = 17
DYS 464 d = 17
YCA II a = 19
YCA II b = 23
SNP U106/S21 R1b1b2a1a1a.
MacShane / O'Neill's common haplotype.
DYS 393 = 13
DYS 390 = 24
DYS 385 a = 12
DYS 385 b = 15
DYS 389-2 = 30
DYS 459 a-b = 9,10
DYS 447 = 25
DYS 464 a = 15
DYS 464 b = 15
DYS 464 c = 17
DYS 464 d = 17
YCA II a = 19
YCA II b = 23
SNP R1b1ba2a1a1b
O'Neill's of Puerto Rico.
DYS 393 = 13
DYS 390 = 23
DYS 385 a = 11
DYS 385 b = 14
DYS 389-2 = 29
DYS 459 a-b = 9,10
DYS 447 = 24
DYS 464 a = 15
DYS 464 b = 15
DYS 464 c = 16
DYS 464 d = 17
YCA II a = 19
YCA II b = 21
DYS 456 = 13
SNP L48 / S162 R1b1b2a1a4
The O'Neill's of Puerto Rico are from a totally different SNP than the majority of other O'Neill's currently y-dna tested. So, there is no current relation between the O'Neill's of Puerto Rico and other O'Neill's. The Neely's who claim to be descendants of Shane " An Diomas" O'Neill , are of the SNP U106 / S21 , but are not of the sub clade L48/S162 R1b1b2a1a4. There is no significant relation, or common ancestor between both families, unless the Neely's test positive for the SNP L48 and then it falls into a time period of 2,900 to 3,100.
I have yet to see any McShane's that have tested positive for the U106,or L48,and that will match the O'Neill's of Puerto Rico, or the Neely's of Pennsylvania.
A little lesson to some O'Neill's, since there seems to be allot of ignorance, among many of when it comes to y-dna.
The SNP U106 /M405/S21/ is found at its highest frequency in Frisia, Benelux, England, Austria, and Northern Italy. It's estimated to be found among 25% of those within the R1b SNP, and there are some that have a theory that the SNP U106 is Central European in origin. Some speculate the SNP to be of a Germanic origin, yet its undefined. U106 it is an estimated 3,100 to 3,900 years old, and downstream of U106 are the SNP's U198/S29/M467,P107,P89.2,L1/S26/DYS 439 (Null), L5,L6,L48/S162 with L47 and its L44, L45, and L46 subgroups. The SNP L48 a estimated 2,900 - 3,100 years old, and not commonly found in Ireland, but in areas occupied once by the Germanic tribes.
The Neely's mind you that they are of the U106 / S21, a very different origin than the O'Neill's / McShanes who are of the SNP R1b1ba2a1a1b. There is no relation at all! Or a common ancestor within the time frame of the genealogies.
The majority of MacShane's of Ulster at 12 markers are 1 GD (Genetic Distance), from the O'Neill Variant Haplotype that represents the majority of O'Neill's tested. Are these the descendants of Shane " An Diomas" O'Neill, we can not say 100% , but it looks very likely that they can be the descendants of the 10 sons of Shane " An Diomas".
If the Neely's are the descendants of Shane " An Diomas" O'Neill, then we must have more McShane's that test for the U106 / S21 ,and we do not at the moment. Long ago there was a guy who claimed that he was a descendant of Shane " An Diomas " O'Neill ,and he was tested R1b1c9 , at the early stages of U106, yet a few months later his SNP changed to the SNP M222 by some miracle. So, we do not know whats the true SNP Shane " An Diomas" O'Neill, yet time will tell, what the SNP of Shane " An Diomas" O'Neill truely was.
The genealogy combined with y-dna testing of the Neely's of Pennsylvania say that Shane " An Diomas" O'Neill , was of the SNP U106/S21. The McShane's currently tested in Ulster say a different story, and are genetically equal to the majority of O'Neill's in Ulster.
The O'Neill's of Puerto Rico of the SNP L48 , a sub clade of U106 / S21 , at 35 markers are a Genetic Distance of 19 , to the Neely's of Pennsylvania, that shows that there is no true relation within both families. Now , if the Neely's of Pennsylvania , do end up being L48 the same as the O'Neill's of Puerto Rico , then there was a common ancestor and origin within 2,900 - 3,100 years.
Only time will tell what was the true SNP Shane " An Diomas" O'Neill ,the O'Neill's of
Puerto Rico genealogy and oral history , do not match or is associated in any way with the descendants of Shane " An Diomas" . But it will be a interesting find to have a group of with a genealogy and SNP within the U106/S21 , will it lead to a new discovery among the O'Neill's ? Who knows? When there are plenty of O'Neill zealots that have a agenda to shut down, or discredit any new findings.
Sunday, July 31, 2011
Friday, July 29, 2011
U106/S21 Neely's / O'Neill's of Pennsylvania
About a year ago I came across a post, of a man named Neely claiming to have been a descendant of Art Oge O'Neill, and this group of Neely's / O'Neill's were from York, Pennsylvania. The interesting part is that they are y-dna tested and are U106/S21 R1b1b2a1a1a, and I have no knowledge that they have tested for L48 or any subclade of the U106/S21.
The genealogy is given as follows
Art Oge O'Neill (1565 - 1622), father of
Shane O'Neill (1599 - 1643) father of
Thomas O'Neill (1619 - 1670) father of
Tiege O'Neill (1641 - 1690) father of
Henry (O'Neill) Payne (1665 - 1698) father of
Art (O'Neill) Payne (1678 - 1732) father of
Thomas (O'Neill) Neely
DYS 393 = 13
DYS 390 = 24
DYS 385 a = 11
DYS 385 b = 14
DYS 389-2 = 29
DYS 459 a-b = 9,9
DYS 447 = 25
DYS 464 a = 15
DYS 464 b = 15
DYS 464 c = 17
DYS 464 d = 17
YCA II a = 19
YCA II b = 23
Their SNP tested is U106/S21 R1b1b2a1a1a.
The question is these Neely's / O'Neill's the descendants of Art Oge O'Neill that died in 1622?
We assume that all this is 100% true, and there are no doubts about any NPE. Then are we are looking at my theory of the core O'Neill's being of the SNP U106 / S21 and L48? This Art Oge O'Neill was the son of Conn O'Neill, who died in 1598, son of Shane “The Proud" O’Neill, and these O'Neill's were mainly of Strabane and Dungannon. Let’s look at these O'Neill's /Payne/ Neely alleged genealogy.
Conn O'Neill, married Nuala O'Donnell parents of
Art Oge O'Neill
CuUladh O'Neill, descendants possibly in Scotland).
Mor O’Neill, became a nun.
Eoghan O'Neill, had children but it's not known of them.
Brian O’Neill was killed by an Englishman.
Flann O’Neill died in Strabane.
Art Oge O’Neill married Sinead Ni Art (Joanna O'Hart) from this marriage there were four children born.
1. Conn Ruadh died descendants unknown.
2. Shane O’Neill, born in 1599 and married Kathleen O'Donnell of Tirconnell.
3. Rose
4.Aodh Dubh , A Major - General in the Austrian Army married Sibylla , the daughter of a German Prince in 1641.
Shane O’Neill, the second son of Art Oge O’Neill, was the father of six children.
1. Thomas O'Neill
2. Art O'Neill
3. Conn O’Neill, lived in Munster, Ireland.
4. Eoghan O’Neill immigrated to North America.
5. Robert O'Neill, whose descendants are believed to be extinct?
6. Meadhbh O'Neill, married a French Officer.
Thomas O’Neill, was born 1619, married Angelina O'Neill, the daughter of Aodh Dubh O'Neill. They became the parents of four, later on in 1670 Thomas found dead on Lough Foyle, and stabbed in the back with a dagger.
1. Tiege O'Neill
2. Shane O’Neill entered the Spanish Army.
3. Mor O’Neill married a Scotch Laird.
4. Kate O'Neill
Teige O'Neill (1641 - 1690), buried at Ardstraw, married Mary O'Donnell and became the parents of five.
1. Henry O'Neill
2. Brian O'Neill
3. John O'Neill
Both Brian and John O'Neill ended up mercenaries in France, and then in Portugal. They are believed to have had eight decendants that immigrated to Brazil in South America.
4. Robert O’Neill married Miss Stuart of Argyle.
5. Rose O’Neill married a MacCallum of Scotland.
Henry O'Neill, born in 1665 at Dungannon,Ulster. Married Fionualla O'Gormley and they became the parents of ten children. Henry O’Neill, was also the cousin of Colonel Sir. Neill O’Neill, died in 1690 at the Boyne. This Henry O’Neill, changed his surname to "Payne" , he lived in various areas of Ireland , but finally ended up under the shelter of Neal O'Neal of Cloon, Co. Leitrim. At the end he ended up being assassinated by his hereditary O'Neill enemies in 1698, at Co.Mayo.
1. Art O'Neill
2. Judith O'Neill
3. Kate O'Neill
4. Aodh O'Neill
5. Shane O'Neill
6. Roderic O'Neill
7. Nora O'Neill
8. Cu-Uladh O’Neill, Entered the English Army under an alias, and was later found strangled in London.
9. Delia O'Neill married a George MacCarthy.
Art (O'Neill) Payne (1687 - 1732), married Kate O’Toole, the daughter of Kate O'Toole, and they became the parents of nine. Art (O'Neill) Payne is buried at Ardstraw, Ireland.
1. Niall (O'Neill) Payne.
2. Thomas (O'Neill/ Payne) Neely, who immigrated to the North America, and it's the progenitor of the Neely's of Pennsylvania.
3. Francis (O'Neill) Payne.
4. Lawrence (O'Neill)Payne, married a woman named Collins and two sons and one daughter.
5. Nuala (O’Neill) Payne.
6. Rose (O'Neill) Payne.
7. Ada (O'Neill) Payne.
8. Mor (O'Neill) Payne married a Henry O'Cahan of Co.Derry.
9. Joan (O'Neill) Payne.
Neely Y-DNA project
Again, assuming there are no NPE, and all the genealogy is 100% correct. Then we are looking at the progenitor of the Neely's / O'Neill, Thomas Neely born 1695 , being of the SNP U106/S21, and in turn this means that Shane " The Proud " O'Neill ,and the progenitor of the Royal O'Neill's , Niall Glundubh MacAedo, was of the SNP U106/S21 , and it's not known if also L48. This somewhat confirms my theory that the Royal Bloodline O'Neill's were of the SNP U106/S21, and possible L48 SNP this will be known until further test are made, or acquired by this group of Neely's / O'Neill's , and other O'Neill's.
Comparing the O'Neill's of Puerto Rico y -dna of the SNP L48 , and if we say that the Neely's / O'Neill of Pennsylvania turn out to be L48+,then it will be interesting to see circa what year the nearest common ancestor between these two groups is believed to have lived. What we do know is that U106/S21 is believed to be a Germanic SNP,an estimated 3,100 to 2,900 years old.
What we do know of Art Oge O’Neill, is that his descendants must be in Brazil, Portugal,Ireland,United States, and Scotland. They must be O'Neill's of the SNP U106/S21 or its subclade, and not of the coined O'Neill Variety which most O'Neill's are part of.
The genealogy is given as follows
Art Oge O'Neill (1565 - 1622), father of
Shane O'Neill (1599 - 1643) father of
Thomas O'Neill (1619 - 1670) father of
Tiege O'Neill (1641 - 1690) father of
Henry (O'Neill) Payne (1665 - 1698) father of
Art (O'Neill) Payne (1678 - 1732) father of
Thomas (O'Neill) Neely
DYS 393 = 13
DYS 390 = 24
DYS 385 a = 11
DYS 385 b = 14
DYS 389-2 = 29
DYS 459 a-b = 9,9
DYS 447 = 25
DYS 464 a = 15
DYS 464 b = 15
DYS 464 c = 17
DYS 464 d = 17
YCA II a = 19
YCA II b = 23
Their SNP tested is U106/S21 R1b1b2a1a1a.
The question is these Neely's / O'Neill's the descendants of Art Oge O'Neill that died in 1622?
We assume that all this is 100% true, and there are no doubts about any NPE. Then are we are looking at my theory of the core O'Neill's being of the SNP U106 / S21 and L48? This Art Oge O'Neill was the son of Conn O'Neill, who died in 1598, son of Shane “The Proud" O’Neill, and these O'Neill's were mainly of Strabane and Dungannon. Let’s look at these O'Neill's /Payne/ Neely alleged genealogy.
Conn O'Neill, married Nuala O'Donnell parents of
Art Oge O'Neill
CuUladh O'Neill, descendants possibly in Scotland).
Mor O’Neill, became a nun.
Eoghan O'Neill, had children but it's not known of them.
Brian O’Neill was killed by an Englishman.
Flann O’Neill died in Strabane.
Art Oge O’Neill married Sinead Ni Art (Joanna O'Hart) from this marriage there were four children born.
1. Conn Ruadh died descendants unknown.
2. Shane O’Neill, born in 1599 and married Kathleen O'Donnell of Tirconnell.
3. Rose
4.Aodh Dubh , A Major - General in the Austrian Army married Sibylla , the daughter of a German Prince in 1641.
Shane O’Neill, the second son of Art Oge O’Neill, was the father of six children.
1. Thomas O'Neill
2. Art O'Neill
3. Conn O’Neill, lived in Munster, Ireland.
4. Eoghan O’Neill immigrated to North America.
5. Robert O'Neill, whose descendants are believed to be extinct?
6. Meadhbh O'Neill, married a French Officer.
Thomas O’Neill, was born 1619, married Angelina O'Neill, the daughter of Aodh Dubh O'Neill. They became the parents of four, later on in 1670 Thomas found dead on Lough Foyle, and stabbed in the back with a dagger.
1. Tiege O'Neill
2. Shane O’Neill entered the Spanish Army.
3. Mor O’Neill married a Scotch Laird.
4. Kate O'Neill
Teige O'Neill (1641 - 1690), buried at Ardstraw, married Mary O'Donnell and became the parents of five.
1. Henry O'Neill
2. Brian O'Neill
3. John O'Neill
Both Brian and John O'Neill ended up mercenaries in France, and then in Portugal. They are believed to have had eight decendants that immigrated to Brazil in South America.
4. Robert O’Neill married Miss Stuart of Argyle.
5. Rose O’Neill married a MacCallum of Scotland.
Henry O'Neill, born in 1665 at Dungannon,Ulster. Married Fionualla O'Gormley and they became the parents of ten children. Henry O’Neill, was also the cousin of Colonel Sir. Neill O’Neill, died in 1690 at the Boyne. This Henry O’Neill, changed his surname to "Payne" , he lived in various areas of Ireland , but finally ended up under the shelter of Neal O'Neal of Cloon, Co. Leitrim. At the end he ended up being assassinated by his hereditary O'Neill enemies in 1698, at Co.Mayo.
1. Art O'Neill
2. Judith O'Neill
3. Kate O'Neill
4. Aodh O'Neill
5. Shane O'Neill
6. Roderic O'Neill
7. Nora O'Neill
8. Cu-Uladh O’Neill, Entered the English Army under an alias, and was later found strangled in London.
9. Delia O'Neill married a George MacCarthy.
Art (O'Neill) Payne (1687 - 1732), married Kate O’Toole, the daughter of Kate O'Toole, and they became the parents of nine. Art (O'Neill) Payne is buried at Ardstraw, Ireland.
1. Niall (O'Neill) Payne.
2. Thomas (O'Neill/ Payne) Neely, who immigrated to the North America, and it's the progenitor of the Neely's of Pennsylvania.
3. Francis (O'Neill) Payne.
4. Lawrence (O'Neill)Payne, married a woman named Collins and two sons and one daughter.
5. Nuala (O’Neill) Payne.
6. Rose (O'Neill) Payne.
7. Ada (O'Neill) Payne.
8. Mor (O'Neill) Payne married a Henry O'Cahan of Co.Derry.
9. Joan (O'Neill) Payne.
Neely Y-DNA project
Again, assuming there are no NPE, and all the genealogy is 100% correct. Then we are looking at the progenitor of the Neely's / O'Neill, Thomas Neely born 1695 , being of the SNP U106/S21, and in turn this means that Shane " The Proud " O'Neill ,and the progenitor of the Royal O'Neill's , Niall Glundubh MacAedo, was of the SNP U106/S21 , and it's not known if also L48. This somewhat confirms my theory that the Royal Bloodline O'Neill's were of the SNP U106/S21, and possible L48 SNP this will be known until further test are made, or acquired by this group of Neely's / O'Neill's , and other O'Neill's.
Comparing the O'Neill's of Puerto Rico y -dna of the SNP L48 , and if we say that the Neely's / O'Neill of Pennsylvania turn out to be L48+,then it will be interesting to see circa what year the nearest common ancestor between these two groups is believed to have lived. What we do know is that U106/S21 is believed to be a Germanic SNP,an estimated 3,100 to 2,900 years old.
What we do know of Art Oge O’Neill, is that his descendants must be in Brazil, Portugal,Ireland,United States, and Scotland. They must be O'Neill's of the SNP U106/S21 or its subclade, and not of the coined O'Neill Variety which most O'Neill's are part of.
Monday, July 25, 2011
Enri Mac Eoghain Ui Neill
Henry O'Neill, also known as Enri Mac Eoghain Ui Neill, died in 1489, chief of the Cineal Eoghain,he was the son of Eoghan O'Neill and Caitrions, the daughter of Ardghal MacMahon.Henry O'Neill, in 1431, was taken prisoner by Neachtan O’Donnell, who released him as one of the conditions of peace with Eoghan O'Neill. This peace did not last long, since in 1435, Neachtan O'Donnell and Brian og O’Neill, decided to start an alliance and attack Eoghan O’Neill. When Eoghan O'Neill and his sons Henry and Eoghan og O'Neill, found out about the Brian O'Neill and O'Donnell alliance, and plans to attack his territory. Eoghan O'Neill and his two sons marched into O'Donnell's territory. At the start O'Donnell attacked and drove them out, of his territory, and occupied it again with his forces of MacSuibhne of Fanad galloglasses’ and his clansmen. Henry O’Neill was not satisfied of what had happened, and he made a speech to rally his O'Neill clansmen and the MacDonnell gallowglasses. They went back into O'Donnell's territory and drove them out,during the battle the O'Donnell gallowglass clan the MacSuibhne of Fanad, held their ground this gave time,for the O'Donnell's and Brian O'Neill to retreated eastwards with the possible intent to reach the Fanad, but they were defeated and taken prisoner by Henry O'Neill. Brian O'Neill and his two sons went to Henry O'Neill to gain favor from him by offering the O'Donnell castle of Ballyshannon. Henry O'Neill greeted Brian O’Neill by cutting off one foot and one hand from each, of Brian O'Neill's sons, and both of his sons died at once. In 1439, Henry O'Neill marched to Portora on Lough Erne, and released the chief of the Maguires that had been made a prisoner in his own castle. In 1442, Henry O'Neill allied himself with the English, and again went to war, defeating Neachtan O'Donnell then taking castle Finn, in Co.Donegal from O'Donnell. This same year he allied himself with the MacQuillin's, and fought against Aodh Buidh O'Neill of the Clannaboy, but was severely defeated by the Clannaboy O’Neill’s, and had to give up his son Aedh as a hostage. In 1450 with his strong alliance with the MacQuillin's again went against the Clannaboy O'Neill's this time loosing his son Nial, who was slain by his cousin Henry, the great grandson of Henry Aimhreidh O'Neill. Two years later in 1452, Henry O'Neill goes to help his father versus the McMahon, who had slain the McDonnell, chief of the O'Neill galloglasses. Even marriage involved war, Henry O'Neill, was married the daughter of MacMurchadha, a step sister of the Earl of Ormonde, but Henry O'Neill, for some time had been living with Baintreabhach O'Donnell, the widow of Neachtan O'Donnell, who was also the daughter of MacWilliam Burke. This did not fair well with the Earl of Ormonde, and then marched to O'Neill's territory and demanded he take back his step sister. In 1455, he deposed of his senile father, and was inaugurated the O'Neill at Tullahoge, in the presence of the O'Neill's and the Archbishop of Armagh. In 1456, yet again went to war with the O'Donnells,and established Toirdhealbhach Cairbrech as their new chief, with whom he now allied himself with and they both plundered the lower areas of Connaught and Breifne. In 1459, with an English alliance he tried to take over castle Omagh from Sliocht Airt Ui Neill, but they failed and instead made peace. In 1463, King Edward the IV, King of England, recognized Henry O’Neill, chief king of Ireland, and sent him forty eight yards of scarlet cloth, a chain of gold, and various other presents. From 1464 to 1470, Henry O'Neill, with his MacQuillin alliance plundered and burned Donegal, as far as the Ballyshannon, in 1467 ravaged the O'Cahan territory in Co. Derry, in 1470; Henry O'Neill and MacQuillin invaded the Clannaboy O'Neill's and captured the castle of Sgathdierge on Skettrick Island. In 1471, Henry O'Neill seized the castle of Omagh, and then in 1476, plundered Tirbreasail, Co.Donegal. Then again attacked the Clannaboy O'Neill's and demolished their castle in Belfast. Then in 1479 and 1480, he spent his time plundering Donegal, and in 1483, he retired and had his son Con, inaugurated chief of the Cineal Eoghain. In 1489, Henry O'Neill died in retirement after countless years of wars. - By M.A.O'Neill
Saturday, June 11, 2011
The Milesian myths & the Scythian origin?
The truth is that no one aristocratic Scythian clan was the progenitors, of an entire society, or any Irish royal clan. All the Milesian myths accounts describe all the regions occupied by the Goths, and not a aristocratic Celtic tribe. The creators of the Milesian myths really took their time to create very imaginative myth using possibly the Historia de regibus Gothorum, Vandalorum et Suevorum by Isidore of Seville as a blue print. The inventors of the Milesian legends, and Irish genealogies added even religious events in the bible, the Goths, the Scythians, and a link to Spain etc. Now assuming that the Milesian legends have some sort, of facts to them then this must be that the Royal lines of Milesians are, of a Germanic origin, and not of a Celtic origin. This is disturbing for those who hold prejudices, hate, and racism, yet to accept the Milesians myth as truth then they must accept the facts that the Scythians were not Celts. You see in the simple mind of many the word Germanic and Scandinavian, equals politics and years of hatred. The facts are that the names in the Milesian legends, and myths cannot be accounted, for in any historical accounts. The myths state, that Milesian invasion of Ireland occurred the next year after the laying down of the foundation of the temple of Jerusalem by Solomon. This was written by religious priest trying to include religion into the genealogies of the clans.
For so many years there have been countless legends of the Milesians, and an aristocratic Scythian clan settling and conquering Ireland. The facts are that the accounts of the creation, of the Milesians legends coincide mainly with that of the Goths, yet the Goths were a heterogeneous East Germanic tribe, and not a Celtic one, the Goths are believed to have originated in Scandza. The so called experts of Irish myths do not explain that the Goths were first refered to as Scythians when they did reached the Black Sea, nor will you hear or read any explanations of the mentions of the Goths in the Irish myths of the Milesians. Ancient accounts explain that the Goths entered Scythia, under King Filimer, and there they defeated the Spali. King Filimer found the land which the called Aujum (Oium), from there he later lead another second migration to Thrace.
Myth: Fenius Farsa, as the first king of Scythia, and his descendants were called the Feni. Fenius Farsa's son Niul is said to be the first to have settled in Egypt.
History : A Royal line of King Filimer ,fought the Egyptian Pharaoh Sesotris , under the leadership of Gothic King Tanausis , and after the battle of Phasis, Colchis in modern day Georgia, pushed and persued the Egyptians all the way back into Egypt. Then there is the account of Gothic King Antyrus, who was approached by King Darius of the Persians, to marry his daughter. Then there is King Phillip II, who allied himself with the Goths by marrying Medopa, the daughter of King Gudila, the Getae king, and ruler of the regions between Thrace and the Danube.
Myths: King Sru leads the Gaeidhil from Egypt to Creta, and Eber Scot is believed to have led the wondering Gaeidhil, or Gayil from the island of Creta, modern day Crete, to Scythia.
History: The was a massive invasion of Scythian tribes into Crete during 267 A.D. and 269 A.D. these sea born invasions were led by the Goths mainly the Greuthungi and Tervingi , the Gepids and Peucini led by the Heruli, a East Germanic Tribe from Scandinavia. Another thing taken to account is that the Goths raided Athens in 268 A.D., and in 370 A.D. King Ermanarcih rules the Greuthungian Goths from the Baltic to the Black Sea.
Myth: Lamh Finn led the Clanna Gaedil from their homeland of Scythia to Gaethluighe.
Bratha, the leader of the Clanna Gaedhail, Gayil, or Gaels, leads immigration from Gothinia, a island in the Baltic, into Spain. His son Breoghan, later becomes the king of Spain.
History: In 456 A.D. the Visigoths of the Balthi family enter Spain, and in 475 A.D. King Euric founds the Visigothic kingdom of Spain.
Myth: Milesius after his first wife Seng, has the two sons Donn and Arech the Red Browed. Milesius sails to Egypt were he marries Scota , the daughter of the Egyptian Pharaoh Nectonebo II of Egypt, who ruled from 360 - 343 b.c. Milesius then sails from Egypt to the island of Irene, off the coast of Thracia, were Scota gives birth to Ir, the third son of Milesius.
History: The Pharaoh Nectonebo II of Egypt ruled in the years of 360 B.C. to 343 B.C.
Theodoric Strabo, son of Triarius, and Chieftain of the Thracian Goths, of the Amalings Royal family. He had a wife named Sigilda, and a son named Recitach. The Amalings according to the Gothic legends were the decendants of the ancient hero Amala “The Mighty".
Myth: The Milesians marched through the European continent and he reaches the Baltic Sea, where with a fleet he reaches the island of Gothinia, an island which divides the Baltic and Artic Sea. On Gothinia his fourth son Colpa of the Sword is born.
History: Only one island which divides the Baltic Sea and Artic sea, this being the island Gotland, Sweden.
Myth: King Breogah of Spain, and the Brigantes.
Fact: The Brigantes tribe (s) name are found in Austria, England, Spain , Portugal and Ireland.
Brigid or Brigantu means the “The Exalted one” or “The High One”, and ancient Goddess worshipped by the Celts. The Brigantes in England occupied the areas which are modernly known, as York, Cleveland, Durham and Lancansghire. Their civitates power strecthed from the North Sea to the Irish Sea. The Brigantes described by Ptlomey that occupied what is modern day southern Wexford , Ireland. The Campus Brigantium, meaning ' The plain of the Brigantes’, once occupied by the Clanna Breogian. We find the city of Bregenz located in modern day Austria on the shores of Lake Constance, the Brigantii tribes in the Eastern Alps, the Brigantes of Gallaecia, modern day Galicia, Spain, and Braganza a city located in the North Eastern region of Portugal.
Are all these Brigante tribes related to one another? Not very likely and this is possibly due to the name of the goddess Brigid being spread from region to region. They can be found to be related with archeology and the y-dna testing of ancient remains, or living y-dna tested members of these areas.
None of the Milesian legends can be taken seriously, yet there are those who still believe this, and others who still keep up the myths alive as facts. If people only took their time, and were a little more truthful with themselves then they would search, for the truth and facts and stop wasting their time and money. One thing I learned is that there are too many people out there with misleading information, creating their own special myths, and gaining money in return.
For so many years there have been countless legends of the Milesians, and an aristocratic Scythian clan settling and conquering Ireland. The facts are that the accounts of the creation, of the Milesians legends coincide mainly with that of the Goths, yet the Goths were a heterogeneous East Germanic tribe, and not a Celtic one, the Goths are believed to have originated in Scandza. The so called experts of Irish myths do not explain that the Goths were first refered to as Scythians when they did reached the Black Sea, nor will you hear or read any explanations of the mentions of the Goths in the Irish myths of the Milesians. Ancient accounts explain that the Goths entered Scythia, under King Filimer, and there they defeated the Spali. King Filimer found the land which the called Aujum (Oium), from there he later lead another second migration to Thrace.
Myth: Fenius Farsa, as the first king of Scythia, and his descendants were called the Feni. Fenius Farsa's son Niul is said to be the first to have settled in Egypt.
Myths: King Sru leads the Gaeidhil from Egypt to Creta, and Eber Scot is believed to have led the wondering Gaeidhil, or Gayil from the island of Creta, modern day Crete, to Scythia.
History: The was a massive invasion of Scythian tribes into Crete during 267 A.D. and 269 A.D. these sea born invasions were led by the Goths mainly the Greuthungi and Tervingi , the Gepids and Peucini led by the Heruli, a East Germanic Tribe from Scandinavia. Another thing taken to account is that the Goths raided Athens in 268 A.D., and in 370 A.D. King Ermanarcih rules the Greuthungian Goths from the Baltic to the Black Sea.
Myth: Lamh Finn led the Clanna Gaedil from their homeland of Scythia to Gaethluighe.
Bratha, the leader of the Clanna Gaedhail, Gayil, or Gaels, leads immigration from Gothinia, a island in the Baltic, into Spain. His son Breoghan, later becomes the king of Spain.
History: In 456 A.D. the Visigoths of the Balthi family enter Spain, and in 475 A.D. King Euric founds the Visigothic kingdom of Spain.
Myth: Milesius after his first wife Seng, has the two sons Donn and Arech the Red Browed. Milesius sails to Egypt were he marries Scota , the daughter of the Egyptian Pharaoh Nectonebo II of Egypt, who ruled from 360 - 343 b.c. Milesius then sails from Egypt to the island of Irene, off the coast of Thracia, were Scota gives birth to Ir, the third son of Milesius.
History: The Pharaoh Nectonebo II of Egypt ruled in the years of 360 B.C. to 343 B.C.
Theodoric Strabo, son of Triarius, and Chieftain of the Thracian Goths, of the Amalings Royal family. He had a wife named Sigilda, and a son named Recitach. The Amalings according to the Gothic legends were the decendants of the ancient hero Amala “The Mighty".
Myth: The Milesians marched through the European continent and he reaches the Baltic Sea, where with a fleet he reaches the island of Gothinia, an island which divides the Baltic and Artic Sea. On Gothinia his fourth son Colpa of the Sword is born.
History: Only one island which divides the Baltic Sea and Artic sea, this being the island Gotland, Sweden.
Myth: King Breogah of Spain, and the Brigantes.
Fact: The Brigantes tribe (s) name are found in Austria, England, Spain , Portugal and Ireland.
Brigid or Brigantu means the “The Exalted one” or “The High One”, and ancient Goddess worshipped by the Celts. The Brigantes in England occupied the areas which are modernly known, as York, Cleveland, Durham and Lancansghire. Their civitates power strecthed from the North Sea to the Irish Sea. The Brigantes described by Ptlomey that occupied what is modern day southern Wexford , Ireland. The Campus Brigantium, meaning ' The plain of the Brigantes’, once occupied by the Clanna Breogian. We find the city of Bregenz located in modern day Austria on the shores of Lake Constance, the Brigantii tribes in the Eastern Alps, the Brigantes of Gallaecia, modern day Galicia, Spain, and Braganza a city located in the North Eastern region of Portugal.
Are all these Brigante tribes related to one another? Not very likely and this is possibly due to the name of the goddess Brigid being spread from region to region. They can be found to be related with archeology and the y-dna testing of ancient remains, or living y-dna tested members of these areas.
None of the Milesian legends can be taken seriously, yet there are those who still believe this, and others who still keep up the myths alive as facts. If people only took their time, and were a little more truthful with themselves then they would search, for the truth and facts and stop wasting their time and money. One thing I learned is that there are too many people out there with misleading information, creating their own special myths, and gaining money in return.
Wednesday, June 8, 2011
I write for my family , and those who are truly related to me.
I have seen my work copy and pasted or linked in various forums. First, I write for my family , and those who are truly related to me , and must make this clear to many I personally I can careless who care or not, if my ancestors were not so called "Celtics" ,and I am proud of the reality that my ancestors seem to have had origins in the Black Sea ,and immigrated thru the centuries into Scandinavia in the areas of Finland , Southern Sweden , and Norway . With a selected group of people that have y-dna tested, and to seem to have origins in Yorkshire , England, a area once occupied by the Brigantes, Danes , and possibly the Ynglings. Very likely that my ancestor was a Viking, and this would explain the reasons my ancestors always ended living on islands, and many of their exploits. And since, the 1600's my ancestors fought for the Spanish crown, survived, struggled , and now every O'Neill of Puerto Rico is of the Latin culture, and very proud of that , and I will never change that for anything in this world. Unlike many others I know who I'm , I know what my family has been through , and I know my own abilities. This is why I am not hung up, nor do I care for a senseless Celtic pride identity etc. but I only care for the plain truth! I have a clear conscience knowing that I have not made a single profit of my surname, nor will I do, I find that petty, below my class, and morals. I live and know what I have accomplished, and my ancestors, and not the glory of O'Neill's that had nothing to do with my family. Do I care if I obtain all genealogical records, and submit them to the Chief Herald of Arms in Ireland, and obtain the rightfully coat of arms for every single O'Neill of Puerto Rico? No, if it happens it happens. Again, I know who I am, and I cannot say the same for others. I live in the real world, and not in a fantasy, nor am I in denial of who I know I am. Others for years have been looking from the outside at what they don't understand, nor will ever come close to knowing the truth, and that's because they don't belong, and will never no matter how hard they try. The O'Neill's take their surname form Niall Glundubh mac Aedo , and there is genealogical records that he was born in Norway, and he is stated in the Anglo Saxon Chronicles to have been the brother of the Viking warlord Sihtric . That's a fact regardless, of people’s bias, hatred, or prejudices.
The Association of O'Neill Clans. I would advise it that instead of the promotion of a books and reunions. Why doesn't the Association really spend time trying to get the y-dna results from the ancient bones, of many of the Royal O'Neill's buried in Ireland? I think I know that answer to that one, and many also do have answers. I challenge Ed O’Neill, who once ran O’Neill DNA Project to produce the authentic Haplotype, or SNP of the Royal House of Tyrone. Since, his theories are mainly based on that y-dna of a paper trail of a member that leads back to a Desmond O'Neill, said to be of the O'Neill's of the Fews, yet from what I have seen lately is disingenuous to say that his descendants are the of the Royal House of Tyrone, or from the O"Neill's of the Fews. And that the y-dna of the Desmond O'Neill descendants represents the Royal House of O'Neill. Let’s be a more real and honest.
You see to pick and chose information to fit your agenda, or theory is real good, yet it falls apart when really looked at it by all others information outside the bubble of O'Neill myths and misinformation. The truth is that the Edwin O'Neill coined O'Neill Variety is not, and cannot be said to be that of the Royal O'Neill of the House Tyrone. No one knows the true SNP, or Haplotype, of the Royal House of Tyrone. Until some male members of the Clanaboy in Portugal, O'Neill's of the Fews in Spain, and in O'Neill's in Palma de Mallorca obtains a y-dna test, or the remains of many of the O'Neill's buried in Ireland get tested. I think the bull shit should be ceased until this is obtained. And I guarantee that the y-dan results of the ancient O'Neill remains is not what these so called experts expected.
I know it’s disturbing and upsetting, for many of O'Neill's to see that the O'Neill's of the Fews were born in St.Croix , settled in Puerto Rico , and had involvement with my descendants in the same areas many of the O'Neill's of Puerto Rico have settled for years. I can careless what these so called experts of O'Neill's think, and I don't write to make friends, enemies, or money. I write the truth I find that many try to hide behind their prejudices, hates, and many times racism. You have to understand that the O'Neill's of Puerto Rico do not fit in into the model, of what the many, of the O'Neill Irish Americans and O'Neill's in Ireland wish the O'Neill's to be.
What I find interesting is that many of these O'Neill's like to quote, and grew up listening to the Milesian myths, yet the Milesian myths state that the Milesians were of a Scythian noble family. Most of the Irish genealogical books based on myths mention Gothinia,is there any common sense by the readers, for them to realize that Gothinia is Gotland, that the Goths were called Scythians for centuries , or that the Goths are not Celtic in origins. A little secret the Goths were a heterogeneous East Germanic tribe, and all the geographical areas described in the Milesian myths are the same as the geographical areas occupied or tarveled by the Goths.
Again, the practice of cutting ones hand was done by the Scandinavians, and not practiced done by the Celts. This was a Berserkers practice called the Fountain of Tyr.
The Association of O'Neill Clans. I would advise it that instead of the promotion of a books and reunions. Why doesn't the Association really spend time trying to get the y-dna results from the ancient bones, of many of the Royal O'Neill's buried in Ireland? I think I know that answer to that one, and many also do have answers. I challenge Ed O’Neill, who once ran O’Neill DNA Project to produce the authentic Haplotype, or SNP of the Royal House of Tyrone. Since, his theories are mainly based on that y-dna of a paper trail of a member that leads back to a Desmond O'Neill, said to be of the O'Neill's of the Fews, yet from what I have seen lately is disingenuous to say that his descendants are the of the Royal House of Tyrone, or from the O"Neill's of the Fews. And that the y-dna of the Desmond O'Neill descendants represents the Royal House of O'Neill. Let’s be a more real and honest.
You see to pick and chose information to fit your agenda, or theory is real good, yet it falls apart when really looked at it by all others information outside the bubble of O'Neill myths and misinformation. The truth is that the Edwin O'Neill coined O'Neill Variety is not, and cannot be said to be that of the Royal O'Neill of the House Tyrone. No one knows the true SNP, or Haplotype, of the Royal House of Tyrone. Until some male members of the Clanaboy in Portugal, O'Neill's of the Fews in Spain, and in O'Neill's in Palma de Mallorca obtains a y-dna test, or the remains of many of the O'Neill's buried in Ireland get tested. I think the bull shit should be ceased until this is obtained. And I guarantee that the y-dan results of the ancient O'Neill remains is not what these so called experts expected.
I know it’s disturbing and upsetting, for many of O'Neill's to see that the O'Neill's of the Fews were born in St.Croix , settled in Puerto Rico , and had involvement with my descendants in the same areas many of the O'Neill's of Puerto Rico have settled for years. I can careless what these so called experts of O'Neill's think, and I don't write to make friends, enemies, or money. I write the truth I find that many try to hide behind their prejudices, hates, and many times racism. You have to understand that the O'Neill's of Puerto Rico do not fit in into the model, of what the many, of the O'Neill Irish Americans and O'Neill's in Ireland wish the O'Neill's to be.
What I find interesting is that many of these O'Neill's like to quote, and grew up listening to the Milesian myths, yet the Milesian myths state that the Milesians were of a Scythian noble family. Most of the Irish genealogical books based on myths mention Gothinia,is there any common sense by the readers, for them to realize that Gothinia is Gotland, that the Goths were called Scythians for centuries , or that the Goths are not Celtic in origins. A little secret the Goths were a heterogeneous East Germanic tribe, and all the geographical areas described in the Milesian myths are the same as the geographical areas occupied or tarveled by the Goths.
Again, the practice of cutting ones hand was done by the Scandinavians, and not practiced done by the Celts. This was a Berserkers practice called the Fountain of Tyr.
Tuesday, March 8, 2011
Don Jose O'Neill Felicano
Don Jose O'Neill Feliciano, was born in Guaynabo , Puerto Rico in the late 1700's . The grandson of Don Juan O'Neill, and the son of Don Patricio O'Neill Garcia, He was married twice his first wife Dona Ynes Umpierre. Both parents of Don Leon O'Neill Umpierre, Don Juan de Mata O'Neill Umpierre, and Don Pedro O'Neill Umpierre. From his second wife Dona Gregoria Cuello , he was the father of Dona Ysabel Marian O'Neill Cuello, Don Geronimo (Jeremias) O'Neill Cuello, Dona Marta Victoria O'Neill Cuello, Don Jose Roman O'Neill Cuello , and Don Luciano Donato O'Neill Cuello.
Don Jose O'Neill Feliciano ,had a brother named Hipolito O'Neill Feliciano born in 1787, records show him to have been a slave owner, this was due to the sugar plantation business in Guaynabo, during the late 1700's and early 1800's. In Don Jose O'Neill's Feliciano's last will and testament , he mentions a Don Arturo O'Neill, who this Don Arturo O'Neill is , it's not known , but only two Don Arturo's during this time Don Arturo O'Neill O'Kelly , 1st Marquez del Norte , and Don Arturo O'Neill O'Keffe , 2nd Marquez del Norte, who did live in Guaynabo and Bayamon. Both him and his brothers were involved in the sugar plantation business.
What was the relation between Don Jose O'Neill and Don Arturo O'Neill, it's not known, but what we do know is that both men lived in the same area of Guaynabo, but the descendants of Don Juan O'Neill , were already established in Guaynabo, since the early 1700's, and the O'Neill's of the Fews were mainly based on the Island of St.Croix . Until they arrived later on with Don Niall (Nicholas) O'Neill O'Kelly, Don Enrique O'Neill O'Kelly and Don Arturo O'Neill O'Kelly , who open the door for his family to be involved in the sugar plantations in Puerto Rico. Records show Don Patricio O'Neill Garcia, to have been married in March 5th , 1778 in Guaynabo , six to five years, before Don Tulio O'Neill O'Keffe and Don Arturo O'Neill O'Keffe were born on the island of St.Croix.
Don Jose O'Neill Feliciano ,had a brother named Hipolito O'Neill Feliciano born in 1787, records show him to have been a slave owner, this was due to the sugar plantation business in Guaynabo, during the late 1700's and early 1800's. In Don Jose O'Neill's Feliciano's last will and testament , he mentions a Don Arturo O'Neill, who this Don Arturo O'Neill is , it's not known , but only two Don Arturo's during this time Don Arturo O'Neill O'Kelly , 1st Marquez del Norte , and Don Arturo O'Neill O'Keffe , 2nd Marquez del Norte, who did live in Guaynabo and Bayamon. Both him and his brothers were involved in the sugar plantation business.
What was the relation between Don Jose O'Neill and Don Arturo O'Neill, it's not known, but what we do know is that both men lived in the same area of Guaynabo, but the descendants of Don Juan O'Neill , were already established in Guaynabo, since the early 1700's, and the O'Neill's of the Fews were mainly based on the Island of St.Croix . Until they arrived later on with Don Niall (Nicholas) O'Neill O'Kelly, Don Enrique O'Neill O'Kelly and Don Arturo O'Neill O'Kelly , who open the door for his family to be involved in the sugar plantations in Puerto Rico. Records show Don Patricio O'Neill Garcia, to have been married in March 5th , 1778 in Guaynabo , six to five years, before Don Tulio O'Neill O'Keffe and Don Arturo O'Neill O'Keffe were born on the island of St.Croix.
Monday, March 7, 2011
New descendants of Don Juan O'Neill
New documents found and provided by Rafael E.O'Neill, with much work on his part . Shows that son of Patricio O'Neill Garcia and Anna Feliciano , was named Hipolito O'Neill Feliciano, born in 1787 , he is described to have been a slave owner in Puerto Rico, who was married twice, one marriage with Dona Juana Ramirez de Arellano.
Parents of
Nicomedes O'Neill Ramirez b. 1843 married Juana Rosario Ramirez b. 1853
parents of
Lucas O'Neill Rosario b.1843
Fransica O'Neill Rosario b. 1880-1888
Ysabel O'Neill Rosario b. 1883
Manuel O'Neill Rosario b. 1892
Lucas O'Neill Rosario
father of
Jose O'Neill Santa
Lydia O'Neill Santa
Rafael Nicomedes O'Neill Santa
Jennifer O'Neill Santa
Enrique O'Neill Santa
Soon more names will be added and more information.
Parents of
Nicomedes O'Neill Ramirez b. 1843 married Juana Rosario Ramirez b. 1853
parents of
Lucas O'Neill Rosario b.1843
Fransica O'Neill Rosario b. 1880-1888
Ysabel O'Neill Rosario b. 1883
Manuel O'Neill Rosario b. 1892
Lucas O'Neill Rosario
father of
Jose O'Neill Santa
Lydia O'Neill Santa
Rafael Nicomedes O'Neill Santa
Jennifer O'Neill Santa
Enrique O'Neill Santa
Soon more names will be added and more information.
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